Hoot wrote:Interesting read on my lunch break, eating venison chili.
I'm sure we'll hear from Tim on this. He's a big fan of flat points.
No big revelation though. Everyone has stood waist deep in water and slapped their flat palm on the water. Contrast the result to a closed fist or karate chop. Good analogy..tMy uncle Ken was a
flat-foot in Baltimore. He was also on the city police department pistol shooting team. He showed me his .38 SPL service revolver once and I was surprised to see it loaded with 148gr wadcutters as opposed to the department approved 158gr round noses. When asked why, he grinned and replied, "For the splash". At the time, I didn't understand.
Thanks for the link.
Hoot
To this day, if I carry a 38 I use Target load Wad Cutters and for my wife, this is all she'll use in her J-Frame 38spl, purse-gun. But then this comes from long years of experience with all manor of calibers and their bullet choices.
Mine started when as a child, and getting weaned on Coons, and Coon Hunting, the old pro's always used a 22lr rifle. Now if'n ya all have never killed a coon with a 22, well let's just say you'd better bring along several boxes of ammo. So, imagine the Heckling I received when I showed up with a 4" Python. They all thought I was going to blow up the coon. Well, well, with .38spl wad-cutters, they not only resoundingly killed the coon, but the bullet cut a nice clean hole, didn't go through the animal, and it was dead before it hit the ground. This was repeated many times that night. The 'Ol-Boys started noticing I had both hands free to handle the Out-Back. I also had a small light fix to my hat. With those rifles in one hand and a light in the other, all in the pitch dark, they just did not have the advantages I had. Those same gents that chastised me for the Python, all wanted the kid to take a turn at carrying their rifles, to which I respectfully declined. They never squawked at me again about anything again.
Since, and to this day, I keep a log, right with me in the field on little shirt pocket spiral binded flip pads, of Terminal Performance Results, you can only imagine how much data I have amassed (way too many stacked and stuffed five gallon pails). The over whelming results are that Flat Points Disrupt more tissue than expanded bullets, period, end of discussion or maybe you need to read my files, if you've got weeks and weeks of time on your hands. They fly as accurately as VLD's (consider..we do have many fine Match FMJ-FP's and the Full Wad-Cutters are all Match Quality), but do require the shooter to be more precise in knowing the range, as the Match type VLD types, can be more forgiving to a novice shooter, especially if shooting at unknown ranges or winds, coupled with the longer ranges
(consider these two devices - http://www.kestrelmeters.com/Kestrel-45 ... -Meter.pro AND http://www.bushnell.com/products/rangef ... 6A40219DC5. Bushnell ARC Technology is also available. These are the best of the best (unless you are the Federal Reserve) and will extend your ranges easily to 600+ yards with the 450 AND be able to decide any issue when you get there to Boot! Note - I am awaiting the data of a reported shot through the lungs, wherein the bullet totally traversed and exited the chest of a broad-side Caribou at just over 925 yards, using a 230gr FMJ-RN Ball Bullet. The report was something of the effect that the animal took two steps and toppled), pics and the PH's written testimony to follow. At this point I only have a verbal from the PH reporting what a customer accomplished.) In the case of the 450b, I use a zero of 200yds and don't refer to the chart, under my scope cap, until the ranges go past 300yds, when Hunting. Now that's while hunting guys, which if the goal is many small groups at say 300yds (visit BD's most excellent work), then many more factors come into play. But if killing Dangerous Game is the goal and the target is 18"-36", which covers everything on the planet, including the Dark Continent, then, give me a Non-Expanding, Large Meplat Bullet, at the highest, safest speeds, possible, in a semi-auto, in a battle proven design, with enough caliber to guarantee an instant kill (are there any guns/caliber combinations out here that fit that bill?). The bullet I've described, will travel the path through the flesh you have mapped out, hitting all the organs you surveyed for (As opposed to an expanded bullet which slows down very quickly, mitigating it's terminal effects over it's shortened path and going in any direction after expanding, may not hit the organs you had intended for it and can come right back at you, in very rare occurrences, but then again I for one, wear a really great dueling scare, on my cheek, from just such a rare event.), and when the chips are down and you are about to play tag with a Wounded Dangerous Animal, the bullet I have described will NOT let you down, If-You've-Done-Your-Home-Work. The only thing left, is for you to do your part..."hit hard, hit it now, and hit it allot!!!..t