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just curious why few are impressed with the hydraulic buffer and pistons
Im building a 16" 3 position aluminum stock brush gun and need reliability as I hunt in grizzly and big cat country and have had to many close encounters, my last black bear was shot about 10 yards in a charge, not a nice feeling

I took a black bear in September using an M4 buffer and tube using Sig mags, it is plenty reliable without the use of a Enidine or any of the other systems.

Gunnut has a topic posted on this topic and it even has pictures and X-rays !
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=223&start=0

I USED to have an Endine Hydraulic Buffer in my A2 stock. As far as I was concerned it did not reduce recoil or make the gun more reliable (bolt bounce -- heck I'm not on full auto) -- since it never had a reliability issue anyway. Their purpose from my understanding was to slow rate of full automatic fire by delaying the recoil stroke at its most reward point. IMHO just another AR15 gadget - aimed at full auto short barreled carbines. The 450B system was set up to work with stock parts. SO, as long as your build uses buffers in the same weight range as the A2 stock buffer (5.0+ oz or more) -- you will be good to go!

IMHO -- you don't need them. I know others use them and swear by 'em, but my LIMITED experience tells me that they are not necessary with our system.

Visit -- www.heavybuffers.com

I use an enidine in my 16" .450 and like it. For a brush gun it is definitely not necessary, but it made a big difference to me during 100 round sessions on the bench working up loads. With the enidine and my DCM lead butt weight in the stock I can shoot off the bench all day long. In addition, it keeps the bolt closed a bit longer which helps brass life with the heavier cast boolit loadings, and it eliminates that annoying spronging noise which bugs me to no end when shooting black rifles. At some point when I'm feeling flush I'll put one in my .223 as well.

BD

awesome, thats what I was hoping for, thanks a bunch from all that reply...

The mods never made this a sticky, but Here is an in-depth DIY thread for making your own bolt carrier weight. It is worth the trouble whether you make your own or pay someone to make it for you. I'm over 700 rounds through my 450b with little to no detectable wear. I believe that was the best 4 ounces I ever added to a gun.

Hoot

thanks Hoot great info

Hoot wrote:The mods never made this a sticky, but Here is an in-depth DIY thread for making your own bolt carrier weight. It is worth the trouble whether you make your own or pay someone to make it for you. I'm over 700 rounds through my 450b with little to no detectable wear. I believe that was the best 4 ounces I ever added to a gun.

Hoot

I sent Mudder a PM about it. He has been pretty busy with a new job and fishing lately.

Hoot wrote:The mods never made this a sticky, but Here is an in-depth DIY thread for making your own bolt carrier weight. It is worth the trouble whether you make your own or pay someone to make it for you. I'm over 700 rounds through my 450b with little to no detectable wear. I believe that was the best 4 ounces I ever added to a gun.

Hoot

Thread is now a sticky. Thanks Mudbug.